Cheese made with breastmilk on the menu!

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Permalink Reply by Rebecca on March 11, 2010 at 10:34am

i just think breastmilk is for babies. and preschoolers and toddlers and so on, if you can keep going that long. so i guess i think the chef in NY is probably just doing it for publicity, which is fine. it's a big bad world out there in restaurant-land.

and about extended breast-feeding - according to the world health organisation (WHO) the average age for weaning globally is four years. but of course that takes into account all the countries where if mum isn't breastfeeding the children aren't getting fed ...

i just wonder about extended breastfeeding in countries like NZ where it isn't the cultural norm - why do they do it, what does the child and mother get out of it, and all that stuff? but mostly i think it's their business, they're not hurting anyone ... do what you like. but don't be outraged when people think it's strange, because it IS very unusual. brave of that young woman to say it on national TV!

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Permalink Reply by Zoe on March 11, 2010 at 7:50pm

I have heard time and again mums say that when they had their last baby they knew he/she was going to be the last one so wanted to keep them as a baby for as long as possible - maybe that is why they keep going with breastfeeding. I was impressed that she said it too on national TV, but Paul Henry (love him or hate him) said that he could just imagine her coming home from school as a 6 year old and then getting fed. I am sure it wouldn't happen like that but still, it does make you wonder.

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Permalink Reply by Jess Cordes on March 11, 2010 at 11:23am

We were watching a programme about breastfeeding on National geographic channel and A women was still feeding her 9 year old!
My hubby made a good point. (and my intention isn't to piss anyone off)
There is no need for a women to breastfeed a child that is eating like a normal person so when does it turn sexual?
For a women to breastfeed that long they must be getting something out of it right?
They say a child doesn't need breastmilk once theyre about 4.
So why keep doing it?
I'm proberly going to get a bit of backlash about this comment. But seriously.... No one is ever going to be able to prove if a women is doing it for her own pleasure.
I'm not trying to say every mother who feeds there child this long is doing it for pleasure but some people out there could be. It can be a pretty sick preverted world out there. It isn't just dads or step dads they are capable of using children for pleasure. And this way no one is going to question a mother. But you know this is just an opinion and I want people to know I don't think all women are like this!!!!!

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Permalink Reply by Jaime Bigwood on March 11, 2010 at 12:14pm

My opinion is if they are that old and you still want them to have breastmilk then put it on their cereal!! (Very tongue in cheek comment - works better when it is not written down....)

I'm surprised the health board allows the cheese. There's really strict regs about where food comes from and the health controls.... Personally when I think of cheese from a human it just makes me think of not nice things....

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Permalink Reply by Rebecca on March 11, 2010 at 12:19pm

i think an important point about breastfeeding is that if it wasn't pleasurable in some way, NO ONE would do it ... i'm not necessarily talking about physical pleasure, but seriously - human beings are just beasties, like all the other beasties ... women would not breastfeed if they didn't get something out of it. it is VERY enjoyable having your tiny little baby whom you adore so close to you physically, having that special relationship with them that no one else in the world has.

just because it has to do with boobies doesn't mean it has to have something to do with sex. sorry jess's hubby, but you fell into a common trap there.

and of course i'm not so naive as to think that women don't sexually abuse children, of course they do. apparently nowhere near as common as male sexual abuse though, statistically speaking.

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Permalink Reply by Jess Cordes on March 11, 2010 at 1:57pm

Rebecca you are right. It is pleasureable when it's a LITTLE baby not a 7, 9 or 5 year old! I love feeding my baby cause like you said no one else can do it!
And yes I did point out to my hubby that just cause your feeding from your breast doesn't mean it's sexual.
But common feeding even a 5 year old can't be enjoyable in the sense it's special for you and your child etc.
I do often point out to my husband also that we were giving our breasts to feed from.
But we were also given food to eat so we didn't have to live of breastmilk!

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Permalink Reply by Jess Cordes on March 11, 2010 at 1:59pm

I can see this disscussion could have the potential to get very opinionated. I can't wait to see others views on this! I just think it's so awesome that everyone has different views on the world etc!

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Permalink Reply by Rebecca on March 11, 2010 at 3:00pm

well, i guess that you would have to ask a mum who has actually breastfed a five year old to know whether or not she found it enjoyable because it was special for her and her child. i imagine (and i can only imagine, because i've never done it) that there would be a very close physical and emotional bond formed from long term breastfeeding.

i don't see anything wrong with it, personally. but like i said before, i think that women who want to breastfeed children long term in a country when it's not "the norm" would have to be prepared for backlash and people not understanding, or thinking it was "dirty" or that there was something wrong with it. which is a shame.

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Permalink Reply by Jacquie Shanks on March 11, 2010 at 7:39pm

A family friend of mine breastfed her son till he was about 5 I think but that was for health reasons as far as I know. They found out he had no 'immunities' or antibodies or whatever it is so by feeding him longer he was benefiting from the natural antibodies in mums milk (I think!). Apparently they were lucky he didn't get immunised otherwise he wouldn't have been able to fight of the infections in the immunisations!

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Permalink Reply by Angela L on March 11, 2010 at 8:14pm

Many women strongly believe that a child should be weaned when he or she is naturally ready to do so, and gives it up themselves, unless of course there is a good reason for the parent to guide the child towards weaning.

There are also some very compelling health and development benefits to breastfeeding past twelve months. I don't believe that just the woman's enjoyment is what keeps it going - as you can't force a child into nursing.

I find it exceptionally interesting how breastfeeding can stir up so much controversey; as it is a natural thing, and such a deeply personal thing.

I don't like the cheese idea at ALL. It's not natural and not right.

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Permalink Reply by Rivka Goldstein on March 11, 2010 at 10:05pm

I don't think that the cheese idea is great.

Regarding natural weaning (I don't like to call it extended as it is normal to breastfeed a child until it is around 6 - this is when a child's immune system is mature)

See this excerpt from the Natural Child project http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/priscilla_colletto.html
"According to the research of Smith (1991), many primates wean their offspring when they are erupting their first permanent molars. First permanent molar eruption occurs around 5.5 to 6.0 years in modern humans. It is interesting to note that achievement of adult immune competence in humans also occurs at approximately six years of age, suggesting that throughout our recent evolutionary past, the active immunities provided by breast milk were normally available to the child until about this age (Frederickson)"

Western culture has taken the human body into the realms of commercialism and sex is good for making money.

We are brainwashed into thinking that our boobs are for sex and that if we breastfeed our child until they are ready to stop, one must be getting a kick out of it.

As a mother who is still breastfeeding an older child (almost 5) I would like to suggest that to sexualise this natural weaning/breastfeeding process is where the perversion lies. I am not going to be pressured by anybody into saying no to my daughter when she asks for milk because some pervert thinks boobs are only for male sexual pleasure.

Nice to see that not all of the comments here suggest breastfeeding past 6 months is perverted.

I spoke to a lady i knew vaguely today about breastfeeding and she commented that it is interesting that women who have boob jobs have breasts that look that they are totally engorged - wierd!

So who are the perverts - obviously men find engorged breasts sexy so they think that breastfeeding is naturally a sexual act - could that be the problem?

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Permalink Reply by Rebecca on March 12, 2010 at 6:13pm

thank you for saying what i was pointing out a lot more eloquently rivka! actually i note that only one comment on this thread fell into the sexualising breastfeeding trap.

i agree with the idea of child-lead weaning ... but as i commented elsewhere, i hit a biting barrier and just couldn't get through it in the end. how have you dealt with any biting??? (if you've had any :O)

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